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Fawn Gene and Variants by Ehetere Fawn Gene and Variants by Ehetere
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Note: This pattern variation is not free to create on existing fawnlings and may only be received through special group auctions, gifts and foals (from parents with the colouration). The variation extends the fawn gene to cover all sorts of deer patterns, and NOT horse markings. Horse white patterns do not exist within the breed.

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1) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
2) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
3) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
4) Partial Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nrz)
5) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
6) Partial Restrictive fawn fwfw/(rzrz)
7) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
8) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)


The Fawn Gene
The fawn gene is a recessive gene represented by fw (fwfw in its expressive form) where pale countershading and spots can be found on the torso of the fawnling. The edges are soft and faded, with markings varying from white to a few shades paler than the base coat. The fawn gene is dominant over the smoky fawn gene.

The Smoky Fawn Gene
The smoky fawn gene produces faded countershading similar to pangare, only usually a darker shade than the base coat. This is not a rule however, as it has been known to produce lighter fading on some coats (never more than a few shades lighter than the base coat), usually on colours where dark shading would not be seen (eg. black). The smoky fawn gene does not have any spots (and thus there is no difference in its expression of the fawn variants Rx and rz, see below) though dappling may appear. The gene is represented by fws and requires two copies to express (fwsfws).



A new variation in the fawn gene has been discovered, where fawn spotting fades away in adults leaving only pale countershading.

New Markings
This new fawn gene variation can cause both defined and faded countershading, or a combination of the two. Fawn spots may also still remain, or not fade completely in some areas. Markings include pale fur around the eyes, ears, muzzle, forehead, legs, underbelly and tail. Darker countershading along the back and on the head and ears is also associated with this variation. Markings can vary in hue from white to a few shades lighter than the base coat, though white to pale cream is most common. This fawn variation can range from very minimal with almost no expression of the gene (restricted to the face) to more extensive areas of pale fur.

New Genes
In addition to having the fwfw or fwfws genetic code, fawnlings who display these colour patterns will also have another gene, depending on their expression. Both the Rx and rz genes fall on the same locus, with the Rx gene being dominant over the rz gene. The genes may be combined in a number of ways, similar to how wild bay is dominant over seal bay.

The Rx Gene
The Restrictive Expression gene, or Rx, is the gene whereby fawn spots fade away and solidifies faded areas of fur to defined patterns. Fawnlings displaying this pattern will have no fawn spots, and a varying array of white expression, not influenced by homozygous or heterozygous forms.

The Rz Gene
The Partial Restrictive gene, or rz, is the gene which solidifies white patterns, however only partially restricts fawn markings. Fawnlings with this gene will either partially or totally express fawn markings as well as solid white patterns, depending on homozygous or heterozygous forms. nrz or heterozygous will have partial fawn spot coverage, often faded. rzrz or homozgyous will have complete fawn spotting and complete white markings. Partial Restrictive is recessive to Restrictive Expression, and will not show if there is a Rx gene present.

Examples:
fwfw/nRx = Restrictive Expression (no spots)
fwfws/Rxrz = Restrictive Expression (no spots)
fwfw/nrz = Partial Restrictive (minimal spotting)
fwfw/rzrz = Partial Restrictive (complete fawn spotting)
fwsfws/nrz = Partial Restrictive, Smoky Expression (dark markings)

As stated above, the Restrictive genes also work with the smoky fawn expression, however these markings are dark instead of light.
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Crimson-Forest-Farm Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a question about Smokey Fawn, since it seems so rarely used :)

If I have a very light colored fawnling (such as a pally, cremello, greyed out, etc) and a fwsfws

Can the smokey fawn be black?
So a pally with black fawn markings?
or would it be a dark brown?



thank you for your time




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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Typically the more diluted the coat the more diluted the markings, so smoky fawn on a pale fawnling is only a few shades darker at most, usually it shows up as a light colour on most.
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Crimson-Forest-Farm Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok thank you :)
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KL-Sincerity Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artist

I just want to make sure I get this right... I'll be (eventually) getting a breeding between Anubis and  Igétis, and I'm just playing around with the possible genotypes of the baby (I love doing that haha). 

I do have a question though. Anubis is fwfw / nrz, while Igé doesn't have any fawn genes. Since the fawn gene is recessive dominant, that means I won't have any possible fawn genes in the baby, right? Or is it still possible?

:( Just making sure, haha.

Also, while I'm asking about genes... horses have multiple agouti genes - At results in Seal Brown and A+ results in Wild Bay, while A is simply bay.

Anubis has AA, while Igé has Aa. I'm wondering - are you able to produce At or A+ from a normal A gene?

Thanks!

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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If both parents don't at least carry the fawn gene, then no fawn markings for baby (though it's babies might have some!)

And nope, those work like horse agouti genes. You have to have A+ or At in the parent's genetics to get them in the baby ;)
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KL-Sincerity Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Thanks!

Since I've got your attention...

How the heck do you make sooty markings in Photoshop? 

I specifically have CS6, but that doesn't matter to me. I'm having SO MUCH trouble designing a fawn because I can't get the sooty markings to look right! Hah ):
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never use photoshop 8D Paint tool SAI all the way, but usually I just draw circles at low opacity >.>
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KL-Sincerity Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You draw all the little tiny circles separately? 0__0
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I scribble them - I'm the laziest person on the planet :XD:
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KL-Sincerity Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
But yours look so good!
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Scribbles :dummy:
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Jian89 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have been looking around and ...
I've sen there aren't so many smoky fawns around :p
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, people seem to forget them!
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ennelya Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What would happen if you bred a nRx (sire) to a nrz (dam)?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You'd get one of the following:

nn - No restriction gene
nRx - Restrictive gene
Rxrz - Restrictive gene
nrz - Partial Restrictive
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Jian89 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
in case you still need an answer :)

it depends on how the gene's are passing :)
nRx = Restrictive Expression, so no spots
nrz = Partial restrictive, minimal psots
Rxrz = Restrictive Expression, so no spots

Rx is dominant over rz :)
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ennelya Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you <3
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Ettid Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How are these genes affected by the Grey-gene, if affected at all? Will the markings fade in colour or stay? Eg. Imagine #2 here [link] having the grey gene. Would the black fade to greyish(later white) colour together with the base colour or would it stay black?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aye, grey does eventually lighten all the fur to white :)
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Cahalen-Avenue Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, so if the Fawn gene is present and is visible, does the Fawnling have to show the other white on the body? Like on number 6, would the fawn have to have all that white that's not the spotting?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you mean the fawn gene or the additional partial restriction gene. Number 6 would be fwfw/rzrz, which hardens and intensifies white, unlike on a character with just the fawn gene where the countershading is much more faded and subtle.
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Cahalen-Avenue Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmmm....Like, say I would want to have hard white spots, requiring the fwfw/rzrz gene; but, say I don't wish to have all of that white on the belly and underside of the neck. Would the white have to be there because of the Fawn gene, or is all that white optional.
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The fawn gene creates white markings, often with partially restrictive (nrz) there's less white but also fewer spots.
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Cahalen-Avenue Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ohhh okay thank you that makes more sense now
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LozzLovesHorses Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh and is the Second from the top on the right image, an example of the Rx gene?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its an example of the nrz gene. Spots ;)
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LozzLovesHorses Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok, I have a question concerning this gene.
Are you allowed to have some of the markings /very minute markings/, on the ears? Also, personalise the look of the white on the throat?

Thanks for all the help ^^
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course; check the design sheets in future you'll see lots of what is possible / not
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LozzLovesHorses Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome, thanks.

Sorry if I've been bothering you with all the questions x3
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LozzLovesHorses Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is a quick question, would a Cream Grullo/grulla have blue eyes?
I'm thinking about this being the colour of my Winborne entry! :squee:
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Only double creams have blue eyes.
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LozzLovesHorses Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok. Thanks for letting me know ^^
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Sevslover6195 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm really sorry to bother you but would markings like this beautiful fellow: [link] be allowed?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes
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Sevslover6195 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:excited: Thank you!
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dontkillthekarma Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If we find a deer breed with a marking we like can we use it on our fawnling? This is the fawnling for the design your own contest. I was thinking a fawnling with lesser kudu stripes would be awesome.
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Within reason; we've had a few people ask about lesser Kudu and we don't allow vertical white striping at present.
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leenei Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a question....
i have a breeding between a fwfw x FWfw....
what kind of fawn markings would the little fawn have?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fawn would either have Fwfw or fwfw, meaning they'd either be a fawn carrier (no visible markings) or a fawn (light countershading and spotting)
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leenei Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you very much fur answering! :)
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Jo-san Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm a bit uncertain regrading fawnspotting. Is it a recessive or dominant gene? Could a visibly fawnspotted fawnling and a non-carrier, nonspotted fawnling have spotted offspring?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The fawn gene is recessive, the smoky fawn gene is recessive to the fawn gene. So both parents must carry the gene for an offspring to exhibit it.
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Jo-san Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okay, got it. :)
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BrindleTail Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How would fwfws/nrz be expressed?
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly the same as fwfw/nrz: the fawn gene is dominant over the smoky fawn gene, similar to how bay is dominant over seal bay.
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BrindleTail Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh that is a great way to look at it. Thanks!
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Jian89 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oke, let me see if I get this.

fw is the fawn gene. the fw gives clear white-ish spots.
fws gives a very soft fading look.

the Rx makes that you don't see the spotting. but solid white can appear on the muzzle/head, belly ...
rz then shows the spotting.
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yus. fws is the fw gene generally without the crisper more defined spots (in reference to the rz gene, it has no spots to show as it were, so a fwsfws/rzrz would look the same in theory as a fwsfws/nRx ;))
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strideroo Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Question about the fawn gene!
So without the Restrictive Genes, what could "fwsfws" be expressed as?
Minimal dark markings/fawn spotting? I know the "s" makes the gawn gene smoky but I'm a bit confused as to what that means/allows for, exactly...
Sorry if this is explained here but I just wasn't quite understanding. ^^;
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Ehetere Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Smoky fawn, essentially an inverted version of the fawn gene - so yes.
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